Gregg Kielma vs. Mary Carter You Decide

Kielma says, it would be a complete take over by people like MARY CARTER whom I responded to below.

I just wanted to post this for everyone to show that we can’t have a conversation about guns because gun-control zelots like MARY CARTER do not want to listen to facts. When they have no response and facts stand against them, they spout some untruths and block you. They also spout untruths that you just proved were false in your previous response. Spout lies and block is their go to. No conversation if you don’t parrot their beliefs. I’ve posted my response to her below and her response to me for all to see. She tells me that guns are now readily available and that is the problem. Yet today it is far more difficult to get a gun than in the past. We did not begin federal background checks until the FBI started the NICS program in 1998 in accordance with the 1993 Brady Bill. 

Before 1993 all guns were purchased without a background check. The 1993 Brady bill started State only background checks for handguns only which later included long guns. AR-15’s Were sold to the civilian market for 30+ years before background checks were required on them. 12-year-olds used to be able to buy a gun without a background check or a parent. You could order guns online and have them shipped directly to your house. You cannot have a firearm shipped directly to your house today. Anyone who says that is ignorant. Today they must be shipped to an FFL dealer for a background check and transfer. You can only have gun parts shipped to your house, but the serial number part recognized as the gun (lower receiver on AR-15) must go thru an FFL dealer. Facts are pesky and many anti-gun zelots hate them. Shootings are not because guns are more available today than in the past. They were much easier to get before 1993 and 1998. AR-15’s has been used 13 times in 35 years. The list is in this article at the bottom. Why the AR-15 keeps appearing at America's deadliest mass shootings It keeps being used because the media started telling future mass shooters what to use. They tell them it’s the best and they use what they have been told is the best.

I went to school in the 1970’s. I did not go to school every day scared to death of being shot. Why? Because we didn’t have a 24hr news cycle just filling up airtime. And tragedy drives ratings.  School shootings were more likely in the 1990’s than today.  School shootings are not the new normal despite statistics that stretch the truth.

Millions of guns are sold every year. 300 million guns are in the hands of civilians. Less than 12,000 are used to kill another human being every year. The chance one of those 300+ million guns will be used against anyone is like 0.004%. You are far more likely to die driving a car medical malpractice or any number of other activities that you don’t think twice about.

Type into google “chance of a person drowning” and the answer is “VERY RARE, since 20,000 people drown a year on average”.

If it’s a very rare chance of drowning with 20,000 victims a year. Then it’s very rare to be shot with 12,000 victims a year (I do not include suicide since there is no evidence gun control of any kind will stop suicides. If you replaced every gun in the country with single shots or even muskets, suicides would continue since suicides are single shot incidents)

Many of those 12,000 shootings are also justified shootings and accidental discharges. The necessity to remove a legally concealed handgun to enter a gun free zone increases the likelihood of an accidental discharge exponentially. Accidental discharges occur when handling the firearm. If you put it in a holster and don’t touch it until you take it off at home, you will not have an accidental discharge in public. Requiring a person to leave their gun in the car increases the likelihood it will harm another person. From either an accidental discharge or if it’s stolen and used by the thief. Only a fool would not want the person lawfully carrying the firearm to always maintain positive control of it.

Now as to firearm availability. Well, we still could carry firearms in our vehicles for hunting when I was still in school in the 1970’s. They were cracking down on it as I graduated high school. No one ever got shot. And we would get in fist fights in the parking lots with guns in every gun rack. No one ever shot anyone. No one ever threatened anyone with one. We also carried knives in our pockets. Never used them either. Just remember these shootings have increased as gun control has increased. It wasn’t many years ago a 12-year-old could buy a gun at the local store. Background checks and age limits didn’t exist years ago. And mass shootings were minimal. We have a society issue.

Tell this to the kids from Parkland, who have grown up in the age of school mass murder. The thing that gun nuts seem to ignore is the ready availability of guns throughout the country and the simplicity of buying one makes it far too easy for someone with a grudge to kill people. Now I am going to block you. I don’t have time for your BS

Anyone with knowledge of purchasing firearms knows that guns are not easier to get today. That the process has become harder by laws passed recently.